It is not the fault of the customer that the management refuses to pay the wait staff a living wage. It is not the responsibility of the customer to subsidize the management’s failure to make a profit if they cannot afford to pay a living wage. If they cannot afford to pay the employee and still make a profit, it’s not a business. It’s a scam.
The customer is one of the beneficiaries of this alleged scam, which makes me dubious about the placement of responsibilities. It sounds like the customer is high on capitalistic copium.
Correct, the customer benefits from enabling the employer to deprive th employee of a living wage. Their patronage facilitates the practice.
So yes, the customer is not a beneficiary of tipping culture, but they benefit by ignoring tipping culture at the cost of employees (in absence of robust living wage regulations or practices).
But that’s not what happens in tipping culture. In tipping culture giving a tip is the default action. Only a small number of customers aren’t going to leave a tip.
Honestly, the wait staff benefits a lot from tipping culture. I worked at a Fuddruckers part time after school washing dishes, and I’d occasionally fill in if a “server” was out. Server is in quotes because all they did was refill drinks and grab extra sauce. Customers placed and picked up their order at the counter.
In a 6 hour shift I’d usually walk out with over $500.
The customer is pretty much the only loser in tipping culture.
According to my rudimentary research, the average franchise owner makes $118,00 / year (take home, after other things are accounted for). If you break that into 52 weeks and 40 hour work weeks, that suggests a (very rough) $52/hour.
And your argument is that sometimes the service worker can make as much as that, if they are tipped successfully.
I personally think that - while I would prefer to live in a world where a living wage was guaranteed and we could honorably discard tipping culture - in lieu of such regulation, this seems preferable to management making that same profit and the worker being offered poverty wages.
I’m not defending tipping culture, I’m just saying that it doesn’t benefit the consumer. And it’s not like places that have tipping are cheaper than those who don’t.
We have a coffee shop in town that does not allow tipping because they pay a living wage. If you try to tip them, even if it’s just a “keep the change” they’ll refuse but offer to subtract it from the next person’s order. Their prices are lower than Starbucks for much better coffee.
“I chose a job where I work a 6 hour shift and expect to get 20% or more of whatever you’re arbitrarily paying because I carried over three plates and a couple drinks. For some reason, I get paid more if you ordered the $60 Steak and Lobster instead of the $18 hamburger and fries. I will actively fight against the removal of tips in exchange for a normal hourly wage, because I make way more from tips than what I’d make as a person who walks across a room carrying a plate”.
You mean that was the only job they could find? Ignoring everything else that’s wrong with your comment you gave the ignorance away with your second word
Spoken like a true server or relation of one. It’s a remedial job that supports business owners from having to pay fair wages, and has since festered out into “I poured you a coffee” or “I made you fastfood”. Tip culture is a cancer.
Poverty is a choice, irrelevance is allbut guaranteed. The dragons’ impenetrable fortresses are nearing completion, though they remain pleasantly surprised at their prospects of more perfect control over their destinies than even their most adept forefathers had ever yet captured. Will must henceforth be paid for in the most precious of tokens (faith, peace, hope, sanity, pride, dignity, rage, flesh). We will grow and adapt to survive even as it pushes us to unraveling. Any minute contributions, no matter how unrecognized or delayed in fruition, have all culminated to this moment, and this process of incalculable chaotic combinations, interactions, and exchanges unfolding never stops, even as our minds, bodies, and spirits need periodic rest for rest, regrowth, reflection. Remember to stay saucy.
Hey USians, fuck tipping ‘culture’, keep it the fuck away from the rest of the world (looking at you DoorDash or whatever, I don’t use it, but I see default software obviously from the US because basically everywhere else just pays servers etc.) That’s what you get for killing unions.
Rest of the world, stay strong, never tip via app especially, never tip. Perhaps have a bit of cash on hand for truly exceptional cases, but know you’re doing the right thing not tipping long term. Fuck tipping.
High end restaurants have great food. What you’re really paying for though is the privilege of staying for the entire evening. You’re paying for three meals.
I’m in NA and I’ve never been asked to leave a restaurant in my life.
The closest has ever been being in a busy restaurant at peak time and seeing a line of people waiting to be seated and I’m well and done just chatting it up.
Still not asked to leave, but I noticed glances from staff and such so I left earlier than I would have, but on my own accord because I want to be helpful.
Still not asked to leave, but I noticed glances from staff and such so I left earlier than I would have, but on my own accord because I want to be helpful.
i didnt mean literally asked to leave, but i’ve had the check brought to the table without me asking, which is a pretty clear sign they want you out
Also being told at the start of the meal that there is a 90min limit until the next seating, or at the time of reservation that there is a time limit
I have been asked to leave in Denmark (Madklubben). But they have reservations for early and late evening, so you have exactly two hours to eat and gtfo. It’s reasonably priced, just don’t have too much fun…
You can do that at a regular restaurant, too (without being an asshole), if you’re working on something or an EMT on duty or something like that. Just tell them what’s up ahead of time, don’t do it on a Saturday night if possible, and be prepared to tip a lot on a relatively small bill.
Ha, we got asked to leave last night. Though we were a big group (6) and the restaurant was very small (seating for less than 30). We didn’t mind and left a cash tip
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It is not the fault of the customer that the management refuses to pay the wait staff a living wage. It is not the responsibility of the customer to subsidize the management’s failure to make a profit if they cannot afford to pay a living wage. If they cannot afford to pay the employee and still make a profit, it’s not a business. It’s a scam.
The customer is one of the beneficiaries of this alleged scam, which makes me dubious about the placement of responsibilities. It sounds like the customer is high on capitalistic copium.
The customer is not a beneficiary of tipping culture.
Correct, the customer benefits from enabling the employer to deprive th employee of a living wage. Their patronage facilitates the practice.
So yes, the customer is not a beneficiary of tipping culture, but they benefit by ignoring tipping culture at the cost of employees (in absence of robust living wage regulations or practices).
But that’s not what happens in tipping culture. In tipping culture giving a tip is the default action. Only a small number of customers aren’t going to leave a tip.
Honestly, the wait staff benefits a lot from tipping culture. I worked at a Fuddruckers part time after school washing dishes, and I’d occasionally fill in if a “server” was out. Server is in quotes because all they did was refill drinks and grab extra sauce. Customers placed and picked up their order at the counter.
In a 6 hour shift I’d usually walk out with over $500.
The customer is pretty much the only loser in tipping culture.
I don’t see the problem:
According to my rudimentary research, the average franchise owner makes $118,00 / year (take home, after other things are accounted for). If you break that into 52 weeks and 40 hour work weeks, that suggests a (very rough) $52/hour.
https://franchisebusinessreview.com/post/how-much-franchise-owners-make/
And your argument is that sometimes the service worker can make as much as that, if they are tipped successfully.
I personally think that - while I would prefer to live in a world where a living wage was guaranteed and we could honorably discard tipping culture - in lieu of such regulation, this seems preferable to management making that same profit and the worker being offered poverty wages.
I’m not defending tipping culture, I’m just saying that it doesn’t benefit the consumer. And it’s not like places that have tipping are cheaper than those who don’t.
We have a coffee shop in town that does not allow tipping because they pay a living wage. If you try to tip them, even if it’s just a “keep the change” they’ll refuse but offer to subtract it from the next person’s order. Their prices are lower than Starbucks for much better coffee.
“I chose a job where I work a 6 hour shift and expect to get 20% or more of whatever you’re arbitrarily paying because I carried over three plates and a couple drinks. For some reason, I get paid more if you ordered the $60 Steak and Lobster instead of the $18 hamburger and fries. I will actively fight against the removal of tips in exchange for a normal hourly wage, because I make way more from tips than what I’d make as a person who walks across a room carrying a plate”.
You mean that was the only job they could find? Ignoring everything else that’s wrong with your comment you gave the ignorance away with your second word
Spoken like a true server or relation of one. It’s a remedial job that supports business owners from having to pay fair wages, and has since festered out into “I poured you a coffee” or “I made you fastfood”. Tip culture is a cancer.
Poverty is a choice, irrelevance is allbut guaranteed. The dragons’ impenetrable fortresses are nearing completion, though they remain pleasantly surprised at their prospects of more perfect control over their destinies than even their most adept forefathers had ever yet captured. Will must henceforth be paid for in the most precious of tokens (faith, peace, hope, sanity, pride, dignity, rage, flesh). We will grow and adapt to survive even as it pushes us to unraveling. Any minute contributions, no matter how unrecognized or delayed in fruition, have all culminated to this moment, and this process of incalculable chaotic combinations, interactions, and exchanges unfolding never stops, even as our minds, bodies, and spirits need periodic rest for rest, regrowth, reflection. Remember to stay saucy.
Wow whining about your business (and low key guilt tripping me) after I just helped you by using your service. I’m not coming back
Hey USians, fuck tipping ‘culture’, keep it the fuck away from the rest of the world (looking at you DoorDash or whatever, I don’t use it, but I see default software obviously from the US because basically everywhere else just pays servers etc.) That’s what you get for killing unions.
Rest of the world, stay strong, never tip via app especially, never tip. Perhaps have a bit of cash on hand for truly exceptional cases, but know you’re doing the right thing not tipping long term. Fuck tipping.
It’s not true, though. It’s entirely based on the restaurant and how many people are eating in it at any particular moment.
High end restaurants have great food. What you’re really paying for though is the privilege of staying for the entire evening. You’re paying for three meals.
No, this seems to be a mostly north american problem…. i’ve never been rushed to GTFO in europe or asia, no matter high or low end
I’m in NA and I’ve never been asked to leave a restaurant in my life.
The closest has ever been being in a busy restaurant at peak time and seeing a line of people waiting to be seated and I’m well and done just chatting it up.
Still not asked to leave, but I noticed glances from staff and such so I left earlier than I would have, but on my own accord because I want to be helpful.
i didnt mean literally asked to leave, but i’ve had the check brought to the table without me asking, which is a pretty clear sign they want you out
Also being told at the start of the meal that there is a 90min limit until the next seating, or at the time of reservation that there is a time limit
I have been asked to leave in Denmark (Madklubben). But they have reservations for early and late evening, so you have exactly two hours to eat and gtfo. It’s reasonably priced, just don’t have too much fun…
You can do that at a regular restaurant, too (without being an asshole), if you’re working on something or an EMT on duty or something like that. Just tell them what’s up ahead of time, don’t do it on a Saturday night if possible, and be prepared to tip a lot on a relatively small bill.
Ha, we got asked to leave last night. Though we were a big group (6) and the restaurant was very small (seating for less than 30). We didn’t mind and left a cash tip
ITT: I feel like I’m going insane
Maybe ask him how much he makes an hour and tip him immediately based on how long the couple intends to stay.
e.g. $30/hr x 30 minutes longer = immediate tip of $15
That’s assuming they get tipped.
High throughput still helpful though. More rolls of the dice mean more chances to get a tip