That's been my plan for years, but now it's morphed into something more like, "my retirement plan is to die in the American underground fighting the local Nazis."
I don't think you'll find anyone with Trump's "charisma" that quickly who would appeal to the MAGA crowd in the same way. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
His speech patterns and dialogue match up surprisingly well with Jim Jones of the famous Jonestown Massacre. Once somebody like that has a following, it doesn't matter how crazy he gets, the diehard believers will literally die hard for the guy.
The first campaign drew the cult together from a cult that was already there (a groomed voter base who will vote Republican no matter who) and the first term bonded them together against an enemy (everybody with common sense) while the Republican party and the entire media insulated them from how bad he is. There were some people who saw what he did and turned away - he got less votes this time around than he did last time, and that's even with the questions of election interference that keep cropping up - but that just means that the people left are the crazies who would defend him even if he personally started shooting up schools.
American politics is so screwed up that most people have little clue of what exactly happens in this country. A coworker of mine just the other day was effectively saying that daddy Trump had to hurt us because big-meanie Biden ruined the government deficit.
Because they were told that Trump would protect them against all of the bad things that Trump's backers were blasting into their brains 24/7 via social media and partisan 'news' organizations.
Ignorance and disinformation did way more work that Trump's charisma which is, as you've said, lacking
There's a part of me that agrees, trump has a wild hold on the maga crowd. Buuuuut I also have trouble thinking of something that would make it easier for some non trump to channel that same energy than an assassination.
I think there would be a civil war first and then a new system would be established if the USA didn't splinter. It would initially be worse in terms of violence, but in the long term the fascism that Trump imposes will be more brutal.
However, Russia, China, North Korea, etc. would take direct advantage of these circumstances.
It's all just absolute shit.
It needs Just 1 bullet in trumps head… FCK America.
I mean, sure, that would be nice.
But the idea that Fascism is just one man using mind control powers on the rest of the country and if you get rid of that singular embodiment of evil the rest of the fascists will disappear in a puff of logic is... flawed.
If Trump had eaten a bullet in 2024, JD Vance would be President right now and nothing would be meaningfully different. The rot is systemic. It isn't even contained to the GOP. Go check out "Welcomefest" and the continued Liberalist campaign to transform the Democratic Party into a rebranded Dick Cheney style of neoconservatism by courting Silicon Valley goons who are on the fence about Trump.
This doesn't end with one guy going away. This doesn't end with 100 guys going away. This ends when the top tier of mega-wealthy families no longer have an incentive to kill millions of people in order to maintain their elite positions.
I always forget to mention it, my mistake. Fascism is already established... the bullet in the head thing should have happened before he dismantled democracy. So preferably 2020 or directly 2016.
The joke of '16 is that Hilary stood Trump up as a punching bag. She thought he'd be the easiest candidate to beat, while the GOP was trying to hand her Jeb Bush as an opponent.
Trump could have been another Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul if Dems hadn't deliberately promoted him.
If you want to talk about someone who should have swallowed a bullet in 2016...
the next time you think getting rid of Trump will solve society's problems, just remember that Trump Jr will most likely run for president at some point in your lifetime
Why JK though? There are many financial options to at least get more returns than inflation, working for people without fuck you money too. It takes some financial education that we likely have to learn ourselves, but there are options. And it's possible to reasonably lower risks and costs enough by selecting the right financial products.
Though obviously, if you just buy what the bank guy says, the bank will make the profits, not you.
While I agree with you, most people don't want to spend the time learning all of this. Furthermore, I had the luck of good financial education and I had to wade through a sea of rubbish just to get to the good bits. But as someone who's new, how do you learn? That's the problem. And even if they could learn, how are they going to start saving? Is the supermarket cashier just making ends meet by a hair's length really going to start saving up thousands and thousands of quid just to be able to see some real returns? Don't hate the player, hate the game. You have too little money to start making some real returns. And because you have no real returns, you need to work for menial tasks and menial money. And therefore, you cannot start saving up and make some real returns, the cycle is complete. What a nice system that we put our lives inside of.
People also have this idea that collapse is this overnight thing, like a zombie apocalypse. But while that does sometimes happen historically, a gradual degradation is much more common and realistic. What that actually looks like on the ground is just a general decline in the standard of living all around. In an advanced capitalist economy, we rarely have actual shortages, where the supply of goods simply runs out. Rather, whenever the supply of anything gets tight, the price soars until demand drops.
As things degrade, everything's just going to become ever more expensive. People used to eating beef will have to switch to chicken. Then they'll switch to tofu. Eventually just rice and beans. And as prices rise, the world's poorest, a few million at a time, will find that they can't even afford rice and beans, and no one will be able to afford to give them food aid either.
Housing will gradually become ever-more expensive. We have a finite capacity to construct housing. And as natural disasters destroy more and more homes and infrastructure, we have to spend more and more of that finite capacity just rebuilding what we've lost, rather than constructing new homes. This drives the cost up ever-higher. People switch from owning their home, to renting an apartment, to living with roommates, to abandoning the nuclear family entirely and living in large extended households again.
This is what collapse actually looks like. Prices on everything slowly rise until we look around and realize that the global population has been cut in half by starvation and all but the riches survivors are living in penury.
I had a conversation with an older dude this May. It was +30°C in Germany and Germany doesn't really do air conditioning. The older dude, while sweating bullets, was telling me that we don't need to do air conditioning because we rarely have high temperatures.
It was +30°C in May. It was +30°C in May for the last 10 years. I think that dude will die of heatsroke, and till his very end he will believe that nothing ever happens and things are exactly the same as they were when he was a child.
The best advice I heard in my 20s don't spend your raise. If you can live of X and now you make Y, still live of X and put everything you don't spend in a few ETFs. Don't try to be smart en beat the market, don't buy stocks, etc.
Just 3 or 4 ETFs that cover the world. Or if you want to be smart read up on the permanent portfolio or all weather portfolio.
You don't need a more expensive car if your current car still works, you don't need a new phone every 2 years, etc. Buy what can't be fixed, don't pay for upgrades that are not really going to improve your life.
Also buy things that don't expire (toiletpaper, dishwasher soap, etc) in bulk when the offer it really good.
You don't have to live as a bum but you can still make sure you don't overspend.
The average lifespan in the US has fallen 3 years in a row and is the same as the part of the UK with the worst average lifespan. With the destruction of the CDC and the removal of food safety inspections they keep attempting, I don't think many of us will have to worry about it.
When we met with a financial advisor to interview her to find out if we wanted to work with her, I told her that I'm doing this because I know it's the right thing to do, not because I think we have any future.
One of my saving graces with being born into a time where retirement seems to become a myth for my generation and younger, is that I really like working. I look to my mom who has failed at retiring 6 or 7 times at this point and I just know that that will be me if I live that long. I dunno if I could ever sit back and be like "I have done my part, now I get to chill until I die".
I would honest to God become suicidally depressed, and holy hell am I glad my brain is wired like that because feeling the opposite way in this current state of the western world must be a nightmare. If you hate your job and hate working and just want to be able to retire someday but you most likely never will due to the state of the world, I feel so fucking sorry for you. That sucks.
My father was a workaholic. My brother and I were both worried he'd become depressed when he retired. Nope. He created all kinds of work for himself by starting a million projects. He said he never had enough time for all that he wanted to do. It was a great relief.
I'm glad to hear that for your father! ❤️ my dad has also been a little project-machine gun since he retired. He is always doing something, which is awesome to see.
Personally, I know that if I was given all the time in the world like that, I would wither and feel completely hopeless. I don't have a drive to start things if it is only for myself. For me, working is a relief because I'm needed by others and I feel a purpose.
Once we switch over to bottle caps as currency, I'll be both instantly rich and utterly distraught at the potential wealth I squandered over the years.
In all honesty, my retirement plan is to go out with a bang in an act of left-wing extremist terror. We have seen way too little left-wing extremist terror in the past few years.
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And I'm already 50...
Money is already meaningless. Worthless is the correct word.
I’ve already staked out the place im gonna turn into a post apocalyptic fort. I know where the tastiest rich people live nearby.
I had a free ticket out of here and I fucked it up by getting an organ transplant FML
There're still older Civilizations I haven't played so I'm not worried
In another screenshot I once read "my retirement plan is to die in the socialist revolution" and I think that's exactly what I hope for
That's been my plan for years, but now it's morphed into something more like, "my retirement plan is to die in the American underground fighting the local Nazis."
I'm 55, and this is my retirement plan.
I plan to die fighting for the revolution.
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Someone else just as bad would replace him. It's supported by public sentiment, he was voted in.
I don't think you'll find anyone with Trump's "charisma" that quickly who would appeal to the MAGA crowd in the same way. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
Trump has as much charisma as a chewed bubble gum. I don’t understand why that many people voted him. Twice.
His speech patterns and dialogue match up surprisingly well with Jim Jones of the famous Jonestown Massacre. Once somebody like that has a following, it doesn't matter how crazy he gets, the diehard believers will literally die hard for the guy.
The first campaign drew the cult together from a cult that was already there (a groomed voter base who will vote Republican no matter who) and the first term bonded them together against an enemy (everybody with common sense) while the Republican party and the entire media insulated them from how bad he is. There were some people who saw what he did and turned away - he got less votes this time around than he did last time, and that's even with the questions of election interference that keep cropping up - but that just means that the people left are the crazies who would defend him even if he personally started shooting up schools.
American politics is so screwed up that most people have little clue of what exactly happens in this country. A coworker of mine just the other day was effectively saying that daddy Trump had to hurt us because big-meanie Biden ruined the government deficit.
Because they were told that Trump would protect them against all of the bad things that Trump's backers were blasting into their brains 24/7 via social media and partisan 'news' organizations.
Ignorance and disinformation did way more work that Trump's charisma which is, as you've said, lacking
There's a part of me that agrees, trump has a wild hold on the maga crowd. Buuuuut I also have trouble thinking of something that would make it easier for some non trump to channel that same energy than an assassination.
I think there would be a civil war first and then a new system would be established if the USA didn't splinter. It would initially be worse in terms of violence, but in the long term the fascism that Trump imposes will be more brutal.
However, Russia, China, North Korea, etc. would take direct advantage of these circumstances.
It's all just absolute shit.
It would create a power vacuum, and the traditional constitutional democratic norms and processes have already been destroyed.
So it would be a literal bloodbath.
And it probably would not end well for America.
just have to kill the next one and the next one until someone who can see the pattern steps up
I mean, sure, that would be nice.
But the idea that Fascism is just one man using mind control powers on the rest of the country and if you get rid of that singular embodiment of evil the rest of the fascists will disappear in a puff of logic is... flawed.
If Trump had eaten a bullet in 2024, JD Vance would be President right now and nothing would be meaningfully different. The rot is systemic. It isn't even contained to the GOP. Go check out "Welcomefest" and the continued Liberalist campaign to transform the Democratic Party into a rebranded Dick Cheney style of neoconservatism by courting Silicon Valley goons who are on the fence about Trump.
This doesn't end with one guy going away. This doesn't end with 100 guys going away. This ends when the top tier of mega-wealthy families no longer have an incentive to kill millions of people in order to maintain their elite positions.
I always forget to mention it, my mistake. Fascism is already established... the bullet in the head thing should have happened before he dismantled democracy. So preferably 2020 or directly 2016.
The joke of '16 is that Hilary stood Trump up as a punching bag. She thought he'd be the easiest candidate to beat, while the GOP was trying to hand her Jeb Bush as an opponent.
Trump could have been another Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul if Dems hadn't deliberately promoted him.
If you want to talk about someone who should have swallowed a bullet in 2016...
the next time you think getting rid of Trump will solve society's problems, just remember that Trump Jr will most likely run for president at some point in your lifetime
Fck
Find a friend to shot him too?
I wouldn't say it's my plan, but it's an option I'm keeping in account
65? 65?!? My expected retirement age is 7-goddamn-2 and considering that's in the 2050s shit could happen to that plan in the meantime....
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I admire that you've got a sense of humour about it. How are you holding up?
If so 2 years later would you like to not miss a fascist dictator?
Mine is more “I don’t plan to live that long anyway”
Mine is more 'why bother when inflation will eat the value away'
So then just save money that doesn't inflate
Have you heard of the stock market? /jk
Why JK though? There are many financial options to at least get more returns than inflation, working for people without fuck you money too. It takes some financial education that we likely have to learn ourselves, but there are options. And it's possible to reasonably lower risks and costs enough by selecting the right financial products.
Though obviously, if you just buy what the bank guy says, the bank will make the profits, not you.
While I agree with you, most people don't want to spend the time learning all of this. Furthermore, I had the luck of good financial education and I had to wade through a sea of rubbish just to get to the good bits. But as someone who's new, how do you learn? That's the problem. And even if they could learn, how are they going to start saving? Is the supermarket cashier just making ends meet by a hair's length really going to start saving up thousands and thousands of quid just to be able to see some real returns? Don't hate the player, hate the game. You have too little money to start making some real returns. And because you have no real returns, you need to work for menial tasks and menial money. And therefore, you cannot start saving up and make some real returns, the cycle is complete. What a nice system that we put our lives inside of.
Civilization is resilient
It wont end just because of a couple problems that could kill billions of people
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And they say "nothing ever changes" smh
People also have this idea that collapse is this overnight thing, like a zombie apocalypse. But while that does sometimes happen historically, a gradual degradation is much more common and realistic. What that actually looks like on the ground is just a general decline in the standard of living all around. In an advanced capitalist economy, we rarely have actual shortages, where the supply of goods simply runs out. Rather, whenever the supply of anything gets tight, the price soars until demand drops.
As things degrade, everything's just going to become ever more expensive. People used to eating beef will have to switch to chicken. Then they'll switch to tofu. Eventually just rice and beans. And as prices rise, the world's poorest, a few million at a time, will find that they can't even afford rice and beans, and no one will be able to afford to give them food aid either.
Housing will gradually become ever-more expensive. We have a finite capacity to construct housing. And as natural disasters destroy more and more homes and infrastructure, we have to spend more and more of that finite capacity just rebuilding what we've lost, rather than constructing new homes. This drives the cost up ever-higher. People switch from owning their home, to renting an apartment, to living with roommates, to abandoning the nuclear family entirely and living in large extended households again.
This is what collapse actually looks like. Prices on everything slowly rise until we look around and realize that the global population has been cut in half by starvation and all but the riches survivors are living in penury.
I had a conversation with an older dude this May. It was +30°C in Germany and Germany doesn't really do air conditioning. The older dude, while sweating bullets, was telling me that we don't need to do air conditioning because we rarely have high temperatures.
It was +30°C in May. It was +30°C in May for the last 10 years. I think that dude will die of heatsroke, and till his very end he will believe that nothing ever happens and things are exactly the same as they were when he was a child.
Well, we do air conditioning more and more nowadays...
Yet, buildings that are being built today don't have it, and you need to spend a small fortune if you want to have a split system.
Got plenty in my retirement pot, but I've been saving up bottle caps just in case.
So it's people like you who's caps we'll mysteriously find inside of a pre-war safe??
I was in whatsinthis when it started. I still have a shitpost up there that I’ve got an update for but never posted.
Narrator: It didn't.
The retweeters went on to live in an even more dystopian future where money still exists, but with no savings to endure a strike.
I'm putting my trust in my bottle cap collection.
My retirement plan is similar but it's more that Climate Crisis is going to cook us all alive before I need to retire.
The best advice I heard in my 20s don't spend your raise. If you can live of X and now you make Y, still live of X and put everything you don't spend in a few ETFs. Don't try to be smart en beat the market, don't buy stocks, etc.
Just 3 or 4 ETFs that cover the world. Or if you want to be smart read up on the permanent portfolio or all weather portfolio.
You don't need a more expensive car if your current car still works, you don't need a new phone every 2 years, etc. Buy what can't be fixed, don't pay for upgrades that are not really going to improve your life.
Also buy things that don't expire (toiletpaper, dishwasher soap, etc) in bulk when the offer it really good.
You don't have to live as a bum but you can still make sure you don't overspend.
Best advice I've encountered in a while.
My retirement plan is to suicide bomb some government structure.
I've been hoping for that big EMP from the sun I keep getting told about.
Or the poles swapping.
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Yeah, let Poland invade someone for once!
I just want to live long enough to fuck an alien
I just want to live long enough for the anti-aging vaccine to be invented.
BRB, off to go wish for more wishes...
Man, a lot of you are going to be absolutely fucked if we somehow don't have societal collapse.
No wonder so many people keep pushing accelerationist rhetoric.
The average lifespan in the US has fallen 3 years in a row and is the same as the part of the UK with the worst average lifespan. With the destruction of the CDC and the removal of food safety inspections they keep attempting, I don't think many of us will have to worry about it.
Besides, Berretas are cheap.
Sure, you can try one on yourself first
That was the implication. Somebody's getting a blow job on my 65th birthday, and it sure as hell isn't gonna be me.
well.. certainly not in so many words. but I definitely don't expect to get that old.
I'll look pretty dumb if it should happen.
If you're right, you won't know it, but if you're wrong..
Societal collapse or probable future health issues, either way (or both)
Money can always be made worthless, so the key to post depression bubble economics will be commodities and the ability to earn an income.
Hopefully I'll be dead by 65
Want assistance? I haven't got much experience with people, but I do have slaughtered a bunch of poultry, I have my own axe and I'm quite keen to help
The true hope is a horizontal power structure.
that just sounds like bad financial discipline with extra steps
When we met with a financial advisor to interview her to find out if we wanted to work with her, I told her that I'm doing this because I know it's the right thing to do, not because I think we have any future.
So your saying your well on your way then..
Wasn't this the boomer retirement plan? Societal collapse takes a lot longer than one would think.
One of my saving graces with being born into a time where retirement seems to become a myth for my generation and younger, is that I really like working. I look to my mom who has failed at retiring 6 or 7 times at this point and I just know that that will be me if I live that long. I dunno if I could ever sit back and be like "I have done my part, now I get to chill until I die".
I would honest to God become suicidally depressed, and holy hell am I glad my brain is wired like that because feeling the opposite way in this current state of the western world must be a nightmare. If you hate your job and hate working and just want to be able to retire someday but you most likely never will due to the state of the world, I feel so fucking sorry for you. That sucks.
My father was a workaholic. My brother and I were both worried he'd become depressed when he retired. Nope. He created all kinds of work for himself by starting a million projects. He said he never had enough time for all that he wanted to do. It was a great relief.
I'm glad to hear that for your father! ❤️ my dad has also been a little project-machine gun since he retired. He is always doing something, which is awesome to see.
Personally, I know that if I was given all the time in the world like that, I would wither and feel completely hopeless. I don't have a drive to start things if it is only for myself. For me, working is a relief because I'm needed by others and I feel a purpose.
Once we switch over to bottle caps as currency, I'll be both instantly rich and utterly distraught at the potential wealth I squandered over the years.
In all honesty, my retirement plan is to go out with a bang in an act of left-wing extremist terror. We have seen way too little left-wing extremist terror in the past few years.
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Yeah where is ww3?
Where is Iran's big play?
Y'all still waiting for the supposed revolution m